[selenium-developers] Code of Conduct for Repos/IRC

[David Burns]

Hi All,

Today I had the unfortunate privilege of banning a Selenium User from
Mozilla repos and suggesting my team block them on social media for
continued harassment of my team.

Since we have CoC for our conference I want to extend that to our
repos/IRC. Unforunately I fear this person is going to come to Selenium and
take out their frustration here. So, if we have to ban them here too, we
should have something that says why we are banning them.

We could easily just copy the Rust one, which is really good, and apply it
here.

Thoughts?

David

[Lucas Tierney]

+1

Post by David Burns
Hi All,
Today I had the unfortunate privilege of banning a Selenium User from
Mozilla repos and suggesting my team block them on social media for
continued harassment of my team.
Since we have CoC for our conference I want to extend that to our
repos/IRC. Unforunately I fear this person is going to come to Selenium and
take out their frustration here. So, if we have to ban them here too, we
should have something that says why we are banning them.
We could easily just copy the Rust one, which is really good, and apply it
here.
Thoughts?
David

[Simon Stewart]

Hi,

I proud that we've not yet had a reason to have missed having one yet. As a
project, I think we're pretty good at asking folks who are offending others
to desist, but it's good to be clearer about what we do when there's
unacceptable behaviour.

Can you please link to the Rust one? And do others think that there are
other good examples for us to base ours from?

Simon

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Post by David Burns
Hi All,
Today I had the unfortunate privilege of banning a Selenium User from
Mozilla repos and suggesting my team block them on social media for
continued harassment of my team.
Since we have CoC for our conference I want to extend that to our
repos/IRC. Unforunately I fear this person is going to come to Selenium and
take out their frustration here. So, if we have to ban them here too, we
should have something that says why we are banning them.
We could easily just copy the Rust one, which is really good, and apply it
here.
Thoughts?
David
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[David Burns]

I thought that I had added it, sorry for not doing it.

Link is https://www.rust-lang.org/en-US/conduct.html

Its lightweight and is used as a inside Mozilla for our diversity
initiatives as the CoC.

David

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Post by Simon Stewart
Hi,
I proud that we've not yet had a reason to have missed having one yet. As
a project, I think we're pretty good at asking folks who are offending
others to desist, but it's good to be clearer about what we do when there's
unacceptable behaviour.
Can you please link to the Rust one? And do others think that there are
other good examples for us to base ours from?
Simon

Post by David Burns
Hi All,
Today I had the unfortunate privilege of banning a Selenium User from
Mozilla repos and suggesting my team block them on social media for
continued harassment of my team.
Since we have CoC for our conference I want to extend that to our
repos/IRC. Unforunately I fear this person is going to come to Selenium and
take out their frustration here. So, if we have to ban them here too, we
should have something that says why we are banning them.
We could easily just copy the Rust one, which is really good, and apply
it here.
Thoughts?
David
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[じょいすじょん]

It's too bad it took something negative to drive to this, but it's good.
Any new project these days should have this on the ground floor going in.
The Swift language project was quick to adopt a CoC, and honestly, it's not
different than a license in terms of importance.
Good choice.

Post by David Burns
I thought that I had added it, sorry for not doing it.
Link is https://www.rust-lang.org/en-US/conduct.html
Its lightweight and is used as a inside Mozilla for our diversity
initiatives as the CoC.
David
David Burns
URL: http://www.theautomatedtester.co.uk/

Post by Simon Stewart
Hi,
I proud that we've not yet had a reason to have missed having one yet. As
a project, I think we're pretty good at asking folks who are offending
others to desist, but it's good to be clearer about what we do when there's
unacceptable behaviour.
Can you please link to the Rust one? And do others think that there are
other good examples for us to base ours from?
Simon
On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 1:05 PM, David Burns <

Post by David Burns
Hi All,
Today I had the unfortunate privilege of banning a Selenium User from
Mozilla repos and suggesting my team block them on social media for
continued harassment of my team.
Since we have CoC for our conference I want to extend that to our
repos/IRC. Unforunately I fear this person is going to come to Selenium and
take out their frustration here. So, if we have to ban them here too, we
should have something that says why we are banning them.
We could easily just copy the Rust one, which is really good, and apply
it here.
Thoughts?
David
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[Simon Stewart]

I'm away from everything for a few days. Will have a look after the weekend. Thanks for the link!

Simon

Sent from my iPhone

Post by David Burns
I thought that I had added it, sorry for not doing it.
Link is https://www.rust-lang.org/en-US/conduct.html
Its lightweight and is used as a inside Mozilla for our diversity initiatives as the CoC.
David
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URL: http://www.theautomatedtester.co.uk/

Hi,
I proud that we've not yet had a reason to have missed having one yet. As a project, I think we're pretty good at asking folks who are offending others to desist, but it's good to be clearer about what we do when there's unacceptable behaviour.
Can you please link to the Rust one? And do others think that there are other good examples for us to base ours from?
Simon

Post by David Burns
Hi All,
Today I had the unfortunate privilege of banning a Selenium User from Mozilla repos and suggesting my team block them on social media for continued harassment of my team.
Since we have CoC for our conference I want to extend that to our repos/IRC. Unforunately I fear this person is going to come to Selenium and take out their frustration here. So, if we have to ban them here too, we should have something that says why we are banning them.
We could easily just copy the Rust one, which is really good, and apply it here.
Thoughts?
David
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[Simon Stewart]

Alright. I've had a scan of some of the choices out there on which we could
model our own CoC:

Rust: https://www.rust-lang.org/en-US/conduct.html
Django: https://www.djangoproject.com/conduct/
Rails: http://rubyonrails.org/conduct/
(For reference: SeConf: http://seleniumconf.de/code-of-conduct)

Things I feel are important:

* Short and clear
* Covers both email and IRC/Slack-style communication
* Indicates the intention behind the CoC
* Describes a pathway for enforcing the CoC (with the clear statement that
this isn't the only way to enforce it)

The Django one appeals most to me, but I like the section in the Rust CoC
about moderation.

Thoughts?

Simon

Post by Simon Stewart
I'm away from everything for a few days. Will have a look after the
weekend. Thanks for the link!
Simon
Sent from my iPhone
I thought that I had added it, sorry for not doing it.
Link is https://www.rust-lang.org/en-US/conduct.html
Its lightweight and is used as a inside Mozilla for our diversity initiatives as the CoC.
David
David Burns
URL: http://www.theautomatedtester.co.uk/

Post by Simon Stewart
Hi,
I proud that we've not yet had a reason to have missed having one yet. As
a project, I think we're pretty good at asking folks who are offending
others to desist, but it's good to be clearer about what we do when there's
unacceptable behaviour.
Can you please link to the Rust one? And do others think that there are
other good examples for us to base ours from?
Simon
On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 1:05 PM, David Burns <

Post by David Burns
Hi All,
Today I had the unfortunate privilege of banning a Selenium User from
Mozilla repos and suggesting my team block them on social media for
continued harassment of my team.
Since we have CoC for our conference I want to extend that to our
repos/IRC. Unforunately I fear this person is going to come to Selenium and
take out their frustration here. So, if we have to ban them here too, we
should have something that says why we are banning them.
We could easily just copy the Rust one, which is really good, and apply it here.
Thoughts?
David
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[David Burns]

This sounds fine by me. The Django one is also really good!

David

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Post by Simon Stewart
Alright. I've had a scan of some of the choices out there on which we
Rust: https://www.rust-lang.org/en-US/conduct.html
Django: https://www.djangoproject.com/conduct/
Rails: http://rubyonrails.org/conduct/
(For reference: SeConf: http://seleniumconf.de/code-of-conduct)
* Short and clear
* Covers both email and IRC/Slack-style communication
* Indicates the intention behind the CoC
* Describes a pathway for enforcing the CoC (with the clear statement that
this isn't the only way to enforce it)
The Django one appeals most to me, but I like the section in the Rust CoC
about moderation.
Thoughts?
Simon

Post by Simon Stewart
I'm away from everything for a few days. Will have a look after the
weekend. Thanks for the link!
Simon
Sent from my iPhone
I thought that I had added it, sorry for not doing it.
Link is https://www.rust-lang.org/en-US/conduct.html
Its lightweight and is used as a inside Mozilla for our diversity initiatives as the CoC.
David
David Burns
URL: http://www.theautomatedtester.co.uk/
On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Simon Stewart <

Post by Simon Stewart
Hi,
I proud that we've not yet had a reason to have missed having one yet.
As a project, I think we're pretty good at asking folks who are offending
others to desist, but it's good to be clearer about what we do when there's
unacceptable behaviour.
Can you please link to the Rust one? And do others think that there are
other good examples for us to base ours from?
Simon
On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 1:05 PM, David Burns <

Post by David Burns
Hi All,
Today I had the unfortunate privilege of banning a Selenium User from
Mozilla repos and suggesting my team block them on social media for
continued harassment of my team.
Since we have CoC for our conference I want to extend that to our
repos/IRC. Unforunately I fear this person is going to come to Selenium and
take out their frustration here. So, if we have to ban them here too, we
should have something that says why we are banning them.
We could easily just copy the Rust one, which is really good, and apply it here.
Thoughts?
David
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[Ashley Hunsberger]

Hello there,

A bit late to this party. Given recent events in the testing community (and
beyond), I'd _really_ like to get a CoC to the project published (not just
the conference). Anything I can do to help make it happen? It looks like
you have some great working samples and goals, so next steps seem to be:

1. Draft our own CoC
2. Establish communication mechanisms if one needs to report violations of
the CoC - to be included in the draft
3. Review (involve SFC for legal advice/blessing?)
4. Publish (where specifically?)

-Ashley

Post by David Burns
This sounds fine by me. The Django one is also really good!
David
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Post by Simon Stewart
Alright. I've had a scan of some of the choices out there on which we
Rust: https://www.rust-lang.org/en-US/conduct.html
Django: https://www.djangoproject.com/conduct/
Rails: http://rubyonrails.org/conduct/
(For reference: SeConf: http://seleniumconf.de/code-of-conduct)
* Short and clear
* Covers both email and IRC/Slack-style communication
* Indicates the intention behind the CoC
* Describes a pathway for enforcing the CoC (with the clear statement
that this isn't the only way to enforce it)
The Django one appeals most to me, but I like the section in the Rust CoC
about moderation.
Thoughts?
Simon

Post by Simon Stewart
I'm away from everything for a few days. Will have a look after the
weekend. Thanks for the link!
Simon
Sent from my iPhone
I thought that I had added it, sorry for not doing it.
Link is https://www.rust-lang.org/en-US/conduct.html
Its lightweight and is used as a inside Mozilla for our diversity
initiatives as the CoC.
David
David Burns
URL: http://www.theautomatedtester.co.uk/

Post by Simon Stewart
Hi,
I proud that we've not yet had a reason to have missed having one yet.
As a project, I think we're pretty good at asking folks who are offending
others to desist, but it's good to be clearer about what we do when there's
unacceptable behaviour.
Can you please link to the Rust one? And do others think that there are
other good examples for us to base ours from?
Simon
On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 1:05 PM, David Burns <

Post by David Burns
Hi All,
Today I had the unfortunate privilege of banning a Selenium User from
Mozilla repos and suggesting my team block them on social media for
continued harassment of my team.
Since we have CoC for our conference I want to extend that to our
repos/IRC. Unforunately I fear this person is going to come to Selenium and
take out their frustration here. So, if we have to ban them here too, we
should have something that says why we are banning them.
We could easily just copy the Rust one, which is really good, and apply it here.
Thoughts?
David
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[Simon Stewart]

Those are the steps :) My preference would be a mashup of the Django
(clear, easy to understand) and Rails (with it's route to enforcement, and
detailing of responsibilities). The SFC can also help us make sure any Code
of Conduct is appropriate.

Simon

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Post by Ashley Hunsberger
Hello there,
A bit late to this party. Given recent events in the testing community
(and beyond), I'd _really_ like to get a CoC to the project published (not
just the conference). Anything I can do to help make it happen? It looks
like you have some great working samples and goals, so next steps seem to
1. Draft our own CoC
2. Establish communication mechanisms if one needs to report violations of
the CoC - to be included in the draft
3. Review (involve SFC for legal advice/blessing?)
4. Publish (where specifically?)
-Ashley

Post by David Burns
This sounds fine by me. The Django one is also really good!
David
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Post by Simon Stewart
Alright. I've had a scan of some of the choices out there on which we
Rust: https://www.rust-lang.org/en-US/conduct.html
Django: https://www.djangoproject.com/conduct/
Rails: http://rubyonrails.org/conduct/
(For reference: SeConf: http://seleniumconf.de/code-of-conduct)
* Short and clear
* Covers both email and IRC/Slack-style communication
* Indicates the intention behind the CoC
* Describes a pathway for enforcing the CoC (with the clear statement
that this isn't the only way to enforce it)
The Django one appeals most to me, but I like the section in the Rust
CoC about moderation.
Thoughts?
Simon

Post by Simon Stewart
I'm away from everything for a few days. Will have a look after the
weekend. Thanks for the link!
Simon
Sent from my iPhone
I thought that I had added it, sorry for not doing it.
Link is https://www.rust-lang.org/en-US/conduct.html
Its lightweight and is used as a inside Mozilla for our diversity
initiatives as the CoC.
David
David Burns
URL: http://www.theautomatedtester.co.uk/

Post by Simon Stewart
Hi,
I proud that we've not yet had a reason to have missed having one yet.
As a project, I think we're pretty good at asking folks who are offending
others to desist, but it's good to be clearer about what we do when there's
unacceptable behaviour.
Can you please link to the Rust one? And do others think that there
are other good examples for us to base ours from?
Simon
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Today I had the unfortunate privilege of banning a Selenium User from
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Since we have CoC for our conference I want to extend that to our
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take out their frustration here. So, if we have to ban them here too, we
should have something that says why we are banning them.
We could easily just copy the Rust one, which is really good, and apply it here.
Thoughts?
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one of the steps missing is a commitee to enforce said CoC and mechanism to
contact them but this might all fall under 1)

David

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Post by Simon Stewart
Those are the steps :) My preference would be a mashup of the Django
(clear, easy to understand) and Rails (with it's route to enforcement, and
detailing of responsibilities). The SFC can also help us make sure any Code
of Conduct is appropriate.
Simon
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Post by Ashley Hunsberger
Hello there,
A bit late to this party. Given recent events in the testing community
(and beyond), I'd _really_ like to get a CoC to the project published (not
just the conference). Anything I can do to help make it happen? It looks
like you have some great working samples and goals, so next steps seem to
1. Draft our own CoC
2. Establish communication mechanisms if one needs to report violations
of the CoC - to be included in the draft
3. Review (involve SFC for legal advice/blessing?)
4. Publish (where specifically?)
-Ashley

Post by David Burns
This sounds fine by me. The Django one is also really good!
David
David Burns
URL: http://www.theautomatedtester.co.uk/

Post by Simon Stewart
Alright. I've had a scan of some of the choices out there on which we
Rust: https://www.rust-lang.org/en-US/conduct.html
Django: https://www.djangoproject.com/conduct/
Rails: http://rubyonrails.org/conduct/
(For reference: SeConf: http://seleniumconf.de/code-of-conduct)
* Short and clear
* Covers both email and IRC/Slack-style communication
* Indicates the intention behind the CoC
* Describes a pathway for enforcing the CoC (with the clear statement
that this isn't the only way to enforce it)
The Django one appeals most to me, but I like the section in the Rust
CoC about moderation.
Thoughts?
Simon

Post by Simon Stewart
I'm away from everything for a few days. Will have a look after the
weekend. Thanks for the link!
Simon
Sent from my iPhone
I thought that I had added it, sorry for not doing it.
Link is https://www.rust-lang.org/en-US/conduct.html
Its lightweight and is used as a inside Mozilla for our diversity
initiatives as the CoC.
David
David Burns
URL: http://www.theautomatedtester.co.uk/

Post by Simon Stewart
Hi,
I proud that we've not yet had a reason to have missed having one
yet. As a project, I think we're pretty good at asking folks who are
offending others to desist, but it's good to be clearer about what we do
when there's unacceptable behaviour.
Can you please link to the Rust one? And do others think that there
are other good examples for us to base ours from?
Simon
On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 1:05 PM, David Burns <

Post by David Burns
Hi All,
Today I had the unfortunate privilege of banning a Selenium User
from Mozilla repos and suggesting my team block them on social media for
continued harassment of my team.
Since we have CoC for our conference I want to extend that to our
repos/IRC. Unforunately I fear this person is going to come to Selenium and
take out their frustration here. So, if we have to ban them here too, we
should have something that says why we are banning them.
We could easily just copy the Rust one, which is really good, and
apply it here.
Thoughts?
David
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Agreed, David. I intended to cover as part of 2 (establish communication
and means of reporting violations), but will specifically call that out in
my to do list (this/next week - sorry for the delay!).

Post by David Burns
one of the steps missing is a commitee to enforce said CoC and mechanism
to contact them but this might all fall under 1)
David
David Burns
URL: http://www.theautomatedtester.co.uk/

Post by Simon Stewart
Those are the steps :) My preference would be a mashup of the Django
(clear, easy to understand) and Rails (with it's route to enforcement, and
detailing of responsibilities). The SFC can also help us make sure any Code
of Conduct is appropriate.
Simon
On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 4:00 PM, Ashley Hunsberger <

Post by Ashley Hunsberger
Hello there,
A bit late to this party. Given recent events in the testing community
(and beyond), I'd _really_ like to get a CoC to the project published (not
just the conference). Anything I can do to help make it happen? It looks
like you have some great working samples and goals, so next steps seem to
1. Draft our own CoC
2. Establish communication mechanisms if one needs to report violations
of the CoC - to be included in the draft
3. Review (involve SFC for legal advice/blessing?)
4. Publish (where specifically?)
-Ashley

Post by David Burns
This sounds fine by me. The Django one is also really good!
David
David Burns
URL: http://www.theautomatedtester.co.uk/

Post by Simon Stewart
Alright. I've had a scan of some of the choices out there on which we
Rust: https://www.rust-lang.org/en-US/conduct.html
Django: https://www.djangoproject.com/conduct/
Rails: http://rubyonrails.org/conduct/
(For reference: SeConf: http://seleniumconf.de/code-of-conduct)
* Short and clear
* Covers both email and IRC/Slack-style communication
* Indicates the intention behind the CoC
* Describes a pathway for enforcing the CoC (with the clear statement
that this isn't the only way to enforce it)
The Django one appeals most to me, but I like the section in the Rust
CoC about moderation.
Thoughts?
Simon

Post by Simon Stewart
I'm away from everything for a few days. Will have a look after the
weekend. Thanks for the link!
Simon
Sent from my iPhone
On 26 Apr 2017, at 11:14, David Burns <
I thought that I had added it, sorry for not doing it.
Link is https://www.rust-lang.org/en-US/conduct.html
Its lightweight and is used as a inside Mozilla for our diversity
initiatives as the CoC.
David
David Burns
URL: http://www.theautomatedtester.co.uk/

Post by Simon Stewart
Hi,
I proud that we've not yet had a reason to have missed having one
yet. As a project, I think we're pretty good at asking folks who are
offending others to desist, but it's good to be clearer about what we do
when there's unacceptable behaviour.
Can you please link to the Rust one? And do others think that there
are other good examples for us to base ours from?
Simon
On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 1:05 PM, David Burns <

Post by David Burns
Hi All,
Today I had the unfortunate privilege of banning a Selenium User
from Mozilla repos and suggesting my team block them on social media for
continued harassment of my team.
Since we have CoC for our conference I want to extend that to our
repos/IRC. Unforunately I fear this person is going to come to Selenium and
take out their frustration here. So, if we have to ban them here too, we
should have something that says why we are banning them.
We could easily just copy the Rust one, which is really good, and
apply it here.
Thoughts?
David
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Hi there,

I took the Django Code of Conduct and tweaked it for Selenium - it's long
but my goal is for it to not feel 'forced'. Overall I liked Django's with
the friendly, but detailed, language and examples. That said, if you hate
it, there will be zero offense taken. There's still a lot to decide (actual
process - i used Django's but is that what we want for Selenium?; how to
contact people - I tried to call that out where I could remember to; and a
committee people should feel comfortable contacting - or alternatives in
the event someone on the committee is the 'offender').

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1waIBRo2U5dqUcTcOZS85Q4gMNhrNICrZtpugp2rZ2J4/edit?usp=sharing

Post by Ashley Hunsberger
Agreed, David. I intended to cover as part of 2 (establish communication
and means of reporting violations), but will specifically call that out in
my to do list (this/next week - sorry for the delay!).

Post by David Burns
one of the steps missing is a commitee to enforce said CoC and mechanism
to contact them but this might all fall under 1)
David
David Burns
URL: http://www.theautomatedtester.co.uk/
On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Simon Stewart <

Post by Simon Stewart
Those are the steps :) My preference would be a mashup of the Django
(clear, easy to understand) and Rails (with it's route to enforcement, and
detailing of responsibilities). The SFC can also help us make sure any Code
of Conduct is appropriate.
Simon
On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 4:00 PM, Ashley Hunsberger <

Post by Ashley Hunsberger
Hello there,
A bit late to this party. Given recent events in the testing community
(and beyond), I'd _really_ like to get a CoC to the project published (not
just the conference). Anything I can do to help make it happen? It looks
like you have some great working samples and goals, so next steps seem to
1. Draft our own CoC
2. Establish communication mechanisms if one needs to report violations
of the CoC - to be included in the draft
3. Review (involve SFC for legal advice/blessing?)
4. Publish (where specifically?)
-Ashley

Post by David Burns
This sounds fine by me. The Django one is also really good!
David
David Burns
URL: http://www.theautomatedtester.co.uk/

Post by Simon Stewart
Alright. I've had a scan of some of the choices out there on which we
Rust: https://www.rust-lang.org/en-US/conduct.html
Django: https://www.djangoproject.com/conduct/
Rails: http://rubyonrails.org/conduct/
(For reference: SeConf: http://seleniumconf.de/code-of-conduct)
* Short and clear
* Covers both email and IRC/Slack-style communication
* Indicates the intention behind the CoC
* Describes a pathway for enforcing the CoC (with the clear statement
that this isn't the only way to enforce it)
The Django one appeals most to me, but I like the section in the Rust
CoC about moderation.
Thoughts?
Simon

Post by Simon Stewart
I'm away from everything for a few days. Will have a look after the
weekend. Thanks for the link!
Simon
Sent from my iPhone
On 26 Apr 2017, at 11:14, David Burns <
I thought that I had added it, sorry for not doing it.
Link is https://www.rust-lang.org/en-US/conduct.html
Its lightweight and is used as a inside Mozilla for our diversity
initiatives as the CoC.
David
David Burns
URL: http://www.theautomatedtester.co.uk/
On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Simon Stewart <

Post by Simon Stewart
Hi,
I proud that we've not yet had a reason to have missed having one
yet. As a project, I think we're pretty good at asking folks who are
offending others to desist, but it's good to be clearer about what we do
when there's unacceptable behaviour.
Can you please link to the Rust one? And do others think that there
are other good examples for us to base ours from?
Simon
On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 1:05 PM, David Burns <

Post by David Burns
Hi All,
Today I had the unfortunate privilege of banning a Selenium User
from Mozilla repos and suggesting my team block them on social media for
continued harassment of my team.
Since we have CoC for our conference I want to extend that to our
repos/IRC. Unforunately I fear this person is going to come to Selenium and
take out their frustration here. So, if we have to ban them here too, we
should have something that says why we are banning them.
We could easily just copy the Rust one, which is really good, and
apply it here.
Thoughts?
David
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looks good to me

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Post by Ashley Hunsberger
Hi there,
I took the Django Code of Conduct and tweaked it for Selenium - it's long
but my goal is for it to not feel 'forced'. Overall I liked Django's with
the friendly, but detailed, language and examples. That said, if you hate
it, there will be zero offense taken. There's still a lot to decide (actual
process - i used Django's but is that what we want for Selenium?; how to
contact people - I tried to call that out where I could remember to; and a
committee people should feel comfortable contacting - or alternatives in
the event someone on the committee is the 'offender').
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1waIBRo2U5dqUcTcOZS85Q4gMNhrNI
CrZtpugp2rZ2J4/edit?usp=sharing

Post by Ashley Hunsberger
Agreed, David. I intended to cover as part of 2 (establish communication
and means of reporting violations), but will specifically call that out in
my to do list (this/next week - sorry for the delay!).

Post by David Burns
one of the steps missing is a commitee to enforce said CoC and mechanism
to contact them but this might all fall under 1)
David
David Burns
URL: http://www.theautomatedtester.co.uk/
On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Simon Stewart <

Post by Simon Stewart
Those are the steps :) My preference would be a mashup of the Django
(clear, easy to understand) and Rails (with it's route to enforcement, and
detailing of responsibilities). The SFC can also help us make sure any Code
of Conduct is appropriate.
Simon
On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 4:00 PM, Ashley Hunsberger <

Post by Ashley Hunsberger
Hello there,
A bit late to this party. Given recent events in the testing community
(and beyond), I'd _really_ like to get a CoC to the project published (not
just the conference). Anything I can do to help make it happen? It looks
like you have some great working samples and goals, so next steps seem to
1. Draft our own CoC
2. Establish communication mechanisms if one needs to report
violations of the CoC - to be included in the draft
3. Review (involve SFC for legal advice/blessing?)
4. Publish (where specifically?)
-Ashley

Post by David Burns
This sounds fine by me. The Django one is also really good!
David
David Burns
URL: http://www.theautomatedtester.co.uk/

Post by Simon Stewart
Alright. I've had a scan of some of the choices out there on which
Rust: https://www.rust-lang.org/en-US/conduct.html
Django: https://www.djangoproject.com/conduct/
Rails: http://rubyonrails.org/conduct/
(For reference: SeConf: http://seleniumconf.de/code-of-conduct)
* Short and clear
* Covers both email and IRC/Slack-style communication
* Indicates the intention behind the CoC
* Describes a pathway for enforcing the CoC (with the clear
statement that this isn't the only way to enforce it)
The Django one appeals most to me, but I like the section in the
Rust CoC about moderation.
Thoughts?
Simon

Post by Simon Stewart
I'm away from everything for a few days. Will have a look after the
weekend. Thanks for the link!
Simon
Sent from my iPhone
On 26 Apr 2017, at 11:14, David Burns <
I thought that I had added it, sorry for not doing it.
Link is https://www.rust-lang.org/en-US/conduct.html
Its lightweight and is used as a inside Mozilla for our diversity
initiatives as the CoC.
David
David Burns
URL: http://www.theautomatedtester.co.uk/
On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Simon Stewart <

Post by Simon Stewart
Hi,
I proud that we've not yet had a reason to have missed having one
yet. As a project, I think we're pretty good at asking folks who are
offending others to desist, but it's good to be clearer about what we do
when there's unacceptable behaviour.
Can you please link to the Rust one? And do others think that
there are other good examples for us to base ours from?
Simon
On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 1:05 PM, David Burns <

Post by David Burns
Hi All,
Today I had the unfortunate privilege of banning a Selenium User
from Mozilla repos and suggesting my team block them on social media for
continued harassment of my team.
Since we have CoC for our conference I want to extend that to
our repos/IRC. Unforunately I fear this person is going to come to Selenium
and take out their frustration here. So, if we have to ban them here too,
we should have something that says why we are banning them.
We could easily just copy the Rust one, which is really good, and
apply it here.
Thoughts?
David
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Hi,

I've made a few suggestions and comments, but it looks like a really solid
place to start from. Thank you for putting it together!

Simon

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Post by David Burns
looks good to me
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URL: http://www.theautomatedtester.co.uk/
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 3:26 AM, Ashley Hunsberger <

Post by Ashley Hunsberger
Hi there,
I took the Django Code of Conduct and tweaked it for Selenium - it's long
but my goal is for it to not feel 'forced'. Overall I liked Django's with
the friendly, but detailed, language and examples. That said, if you hate
it, there will be zero offense taken. There's still a lot to decide (actual
process - i used Django's but is that what we want for Selenium?; how to
contact people - I tried to call that out where I could remember to; and a
committee people should feel comfortable contacting - or alternatives in
the event someone on the committee is the 'offender').
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1waIBRo2U5dqUcTcOZS85Q4gM
NhrNICrZtpugp2rZ2J4/edit?usp=sharing

Post by Ashley Hunsberger
Agreed, David. I intended to cover as part of 2 (establish communication
and means of reporting violations), but will specifically call that out in
my to do list (this/next week - sorry for the delay!).

Post by David Burns
one of the steps missing is a commitee to enforce said CoC and
mechanism to contact them but this might all fall under 1)
David
David Burns
URL: http://www.theautomatedtester.co.uk/
On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Simon Stewart <

Post by Simon Stewart
Those are the steps :) My preference would be a mashup of the Django
(clear, easy to understand) and Rails (with it's route to enforcement, and
detailing of responsibilities). The SFC can also help us make sure any Code
of Conduct is appropriate.
Simon
On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 4:00 PM, Ashley Hunsberger <

Post by Ashley Hunsberger
Hello there,
A bit late to this party. Given recent events in the testing
community (and beyond), I'd _really_ like to get a CoC to the project
published (not just the conference). Anything I can do to help make it
happen? It looks like you have some great working samples and goals, so
1. Draft our own CoC
2. Establish communication mechanisms if one needs to report
violations of the CoC - to be included in the draft
3. Review (involve SFC for legal advice/blessing?)
4. Publish (where specifically?)
-Ashley

Post by David Burns
This sounds fine by me. The Django one is also really good!
David
David Burns
URL: http://www.theautomatedtester.co.uk/

Post by Simon Stewart
Alright. I've had a scan of some of the choices out there on which
Rust: https://www.rust-lang.org/en-US/conduct.html
Django: https://www.djangoproject.com/conduct/
Rails: http://rubyonrails.org/conduct/
(For reference: SeConf: http://seleniumconf.de/code-of-conduct)
* Short and clear
* Covers both email and IRC/Slack-style communication
* Indicates the intention behind the CoC
* Describes a pathway for enforcing the CoC (with the clear
statement that this isn't the only way to enforce it)
The Django one appeals most to me, but I like the section in the
Rust CoC about moderation.
Thoughts?
Simon
On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 8:41 PM, Simon Stewart <

Post by Simon Stewart
I'm away from everything for a few days. Will have a look after
the weekend. Thanks for the link!
Simon
Sent from my iPhone
On 26 Apr 2017, at 11:14, David Burns <
I thought that I had added it, sorry for not doing it.
Link is https://www.rust-lang.org/en-US/conduct.html
Its lightweight and is used as a inside Mozilla for our diversity
initiatives as the CoC.
David
David Burns
URL: http://www.theautomatedtester.co.uk/
On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Simon Stewart <

Post by Simon Stewart
Hi,
I proud that we've not yet had a reason to have missed having one
yet. As a project, I think we're pretty good at asking folks who are
offending others to desist, but it's good to be clearer about what we do
when there's unacceptable behaviour.
Can you please link to the Rust one? And do others think that
there are other good examples for us to base ours from?
Simon
On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 1:05 PM, David Burns <

Post by David Burns
Hi All,
Today I had the unfortunate privilege of banning a Selenium User
from Mozilla repos and suggesting my team block them on social media for
continued harassment of my team.
Since we have CoC for our conference I want to extend that to
our repos/IRC. Unforunately I fear this person is going to come to Selenium
and take out their frustration here. So, if we have to ban them here too,
we should have something that says why we are banning them.
We could easily just copy the Rust one, which is really good,
and apply it here.
Thoughts?
David
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